including Map of walk

[Chap]

Hi...

So the outcome of this was ? Can we post images of routes on OS Maps ? no problem if it's a no just wanted to be clear

[David]

Dec 13, 2011 14:49:09 GMT Chap said:

Hi...

So the outcome of this was ? Can we post images of routes on OS Maps ? no problem if it's a no just wanted to be clear

I contacted OS and their answer (as far as I could interpret it) was that maps could be reproduced on a Forum such as this one. They did, however, suggest I also check with MemoryMap (in case it infringed their copyright) and I await their answer. I'll post again when I hear from them.

David

[Chap]

Hi David...

I went on the Memory Map support foruma and posed the question to them "Do MM have any issues with us posting routes" their answer and another one is below which I think are quite helpful ....

We may have to pay a £60.00 license to OS per year and if that were the case I would have no problem our company sponsoring that cost for the forum


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This one is from a memory Map employee

I cannot think of any issues with using small screenshots within your blog or forum.
All that you need to do is credit the mapping supplied, such as Ordnance Survey and have a sentence under the image stating 'created with Memory-Map'
However this question is probably better off being answered by our marketing department, rather than myself in technical support.
You can contact the marketing department via email [e-mail]

However have you looked into using TrailZilla (http://www.trailzilla.com)?
Trailzilla will actually allow you to link the routes to your blog and or forum so that visitors can download it as a .GPX file for their own use.
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This one is from a general poster

Hi,
I am no expert but don't forget the maps are Ordnance Survey copyright licensed to Memory Map.

When I asked about this the reply from OS was difficult to follow and subsequently I contacted a couple of walking websites that display OS maps. Their advice was that they have a 'Paper Copying Licence' from Ordnance Survey at about £60 per year.

It depends what your website is used for.

If it is purely for information and you make no money out of your website you can possibly look at getting a Paper Copying Licence from the OS. They are renewable on an annual basis and cost about £60 (in 2010).

However you need to check that the way you want to use the map is allowed using that licence.
Two points the rules actually state is that it has to be a copy of a paper map and not an image from Memory Map, you are also meant to put a watermark across the map, presumably to make sure people can't print out virgin copies.

Alternatively you could always use the OS Open Space Web builder route where you can add markers and routes to OS maps - see www.derbyshireheritage.co.uk/Menu/map.php for an example of a static map. You can sign up for free at www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsi ... i/wmb.html. The builder supplies the necessary code to include on a website - the number of tiles is limited but I would say they give plenty for normal use.

You could also use Google maps to put your routes on to display on a website.

Both OS Open Space and Google options can be written into your website pages legally.

On the other hand if you use Wordpress for a CMS or blog then there a plugins for both of these options.

Having said all that I know of at least one site where they just take pot luck and put copies of whatever they like on the net.

At the end of the day it's a bit of a minefield.

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You can read the thread here

www.memory-map.co.uk/supportforum/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=4563&p=14686#p14686

[David]

I've given up waiting for a reply from MemoryMap, but here's the reply I received from OS on the question of whether we can post their maps here. As I read this, we can do so and do not need permission or to buy a licence, but do need to add an acknowledgement.

David

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" Dear David,
Thank you for your email.

First, if you are considering using mapping from Memory Map I recommend reading their T&Cs. There may be restrictions and permission required.

If you use OS mapping………..

If you use a ‘blog’ type website where the mapping could be shown for ‘criticism, review, news reporting and research for non-commercial purposes’ you could display under the principle of ‘fair dealing’.

The official definition is as follows:-

Ordnance Survey recognize that certain public administration and fair dealing uses are allowed under the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988, and do not need to be licensed for its use.

For Ordnance Survey maps which are less than 50 years old copying is likely to be an infringement of Crown Copyright unless such copying falls within the exceptions in the Copyright Designs and Patents Act 1988 ('the Act'). The Act sets out in detail what can and cannot be done with any material protected by copyright.

The Act permits very limited copying for the purposes of:

Private study;
Non-commercial research, criticism, review and news reporting,
Provided that any copy is accompanied by the following acknowledgement (unless such acknowledgement is impossible for reasons of practicality or otherwise):

" Crown Copyright. Reproduced by permission of Ordnance Survey."
Provided the copies you require are as listed above you can take the necessary copies and no further permission is required.

However, if it is for use on a standard website you may need an Internet Licence for a static image.

Details of this licence can be found via the link below:-

www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/licensing/copyright/internet-use.html

I hope that helps explain the situation and you can progress.

If you require further information, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours sincerely

Peter Hobby
Customer Service Adviser
Customer Service Centre, Ordnance Survey
Adanac Drive, SOUTHAMPTON, SO16 0AS

Phone: [phone] | Fax: [phone]

www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk | [e-mail]

[duncan]

Many thanks for the work that has gone into following up my original question on this topic and the generous offer from Chap to sponsor the cost of the license.

Duncan

[Chap]

Hi

I've re read all this stuff and it seems clear its okay to post screen shots of routes etc I don't even think the paper licensee would be required under the fair use policy BUT if the moderators feel that it would be better to have the license I am still happy to sponsor it ...

The link to apply for the licsense is here

www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/licensing/copyright/copying-paper-maps.html

If one of the mods wants to go on-line and fill it in if they email me I will get the payment sent up to them

Thanks

[gary]

If you use the OS Get-a-map service like I pointed out previously you can create routes and share them with friends without having to buy a licence. I also think that the Society buying/registering a single licence wouldn't then allow all the forum members to use it?

[David]

As indicated in my post, it is fairly clear from the reply by OS that no licence is needed (but an acknowledgement is needed). Copyright may, however, be an issue relating to the secondary source (e.g. Memory Map) - not that I received no reply from Memory Map to my enquiry on this point.

David