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hi. i've never been to the fells before, or any walks in britain for that matter, and i'm planning a 2 week trip in september. i'm really looking forward to it after a long year of hard work and no holidays! i have a few questions on the local walking culture and the practicality of stocking up on food supplies etc. i'd be really grateful of some advice. apologies for the long post.

i have a lot of experience hillwalking in ireland, and i'm wondering how it works with the fells. to give you an idea, i took 10 days on my own hiking the dingle peninsula with my tent and gear on my back and it is so wild you can just walk all day till you get tired (or it gets dark) and find a spot for the tent somewhere off the track and settle down for the night. during the 10 days, apart from passing through the villages i saw 2 walkers and a farmer. i planned the route to pass a village every 2 or 3 days to buy milk and water and fruit etc. i carried some basic food supplies like muesli and cooked meat and tinned fish. i'd love to go camping 'rough' like this in the fells as i have found it greatly adds to the sense of adventure and wilderness, i don't light fires and never leave a trace behind me, and would always camp off the path as much out of sight as possible, pitching late and moving on early in the morning. i haven't found any mention of people doing this, is it frowned on?
i know nothing about the area, are there food stores in all the villages? i guess there are plenty of pubs... you can't beat a massive homemade burger after a long day walking!

for maps, i was thinking of getting the ISYS Lakeland Fells Hillwalker Max DVD and printing off individual sheets for whatever route i go for. has anyone used this map? i know there 1:25000 maps but i've walked all my life at 1:50000 and am used to that level of detail, also don't want to be changing maps too often. i usually prefer to print off my own maps because you can leave them zipped away in the map bag and don't have to get them wet folding out etc.

for the route i was thinking of getting the ferry from dublin to liverpool and then the bus to ambleside and then walk west and clockwise around to come back to ambleside in 2 weeks.

lastly, i'll be travelling as light as possible, and i would love to bring along some of AW's writings to give a flavour of the history of the walks. i searched amazon and found the box set of all 7 map books but they would be way too heavy to bring, is there a small and light version?

thanks for any advice, i was delighted to find a site like this with such a wealth of information, i've enjoyed reading the forums.
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« Reply #1 on Aug 13, 2009, 6:05pm »

Hi ya mate, welcome to the forum. I am not the best one to be answering your questions as I have not ' wild camped ' on the fells before. However, wanted to say hello as you had not had a response but I am sure over the next 24 hours there will be plenty for you to chew over. I can tell you that it is permissible to camp on the fells as long as you follow certain guidelines, one of these is you should be above a certain height. I forget what height this is but someone here will tell you this and plenty more. Good luck and look forward to hearing more from you.
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« Reply #2 on Aug 13, 2009, 8:10pm »

hi Ray. thanks so much for the reply. i'm delighted to hear that camping is ok. i am a very responsible camper because i know myself there is nothing worse than finding rubbish left by campers in the middle of a beautiful remote area. i did a google search on camping rules and found this site with some useful guidelines: http://www.go4awalk.com/ask/wildcamping2.php
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« Reply #3 on Aug 13, 2009, 8:23pm »


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as you follow certain guidelines, one of these is you should be above a certain height. I forget what height this is but someone here will tell you this and plenty more


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I think it's about 5 ft 8 inches, so you can see over dry stone walls. ;) ;D ;D
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Aug 13, 2009, 8:23pm, crib goch wrote:

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as you follow certain guidelines, one of these is you should be above a certain height. I forget what height this is but someone here will tell you this and plenty more


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I think it's about 5 ft 8 inches, so you can see over dry stone walls. ;) ;D ;D


thats me just about okay then ;D

are the intake walls above 5' 8'' ::) No honestly I thought there was a point at which it was generaly accepted , when I read beyond the intake walls that would make sense.
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« Reply #5 on Aug 14, 2009, 5:23am »

do the intake walls mark the end of farmland and the start of the open hillside?
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Aug 14, 2009, 5:23am, timmer3 wrote:
do the intake walls mark the end of farmland and the start of the open hillside?
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I believe so. I think also the guidelines state you should be out of sight from below, away from contaminating water et etc. I am sure from what you have already stated you know this.
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« Reply #7 on Aug 14, 2009, 9:51am »

Hi Timmer

I'll leave the camping questions to others who are better qualified than me to answer.

You asked a question regarding light weight Pictorial Guides. If you are merely looking for route ideas then there are a few options that spring to mind:

- You could try the Wainwright Memorial Walk book. This has a series of routes in some of the detail found in the PG's. The routes are not circular and so would fit in nicely with your camping

- You could also try Stuart Marshalls Walking the Wainwrights. This is a guide to how to bag all of the 214 in a short period of time (30 odd circular walks), but this lacks detail and should be read in conjunction with the PG's

- W A Pouchers The Lakeland Peaks is a great pocket sized paperback which has some really good route information and classic photographs. This would make a great companion on your trip!!

I hope this helps

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« Reply #8 on Aug 14, 2009, 8:24pm »

Hi mate and welcome to the forum.
Two weeks in the Lakes sound like heaven to me ;D, the most i have been able to get away for is two or three days. You seem to already have the experience from your walks in Ireland and i think you have covered most of the main points, i.e wild camping"etiquette" pitching late and leaving early etc. Wild camping in the Lakes is tolerated above the intake wall, but there are also plenty of nice valley sites usually with a pub near by. The one thing you might find is that there will be more people about, although over two weeks you should have time to explore the wilder parts of the district. Try http://v-g.me.uk/index.htm for routes and inspiration. I am sure you will have a great time and hope you post a trip report for us to read.
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« Reply #9 on Aug 14, 2009, 10:39pm »

hi Karl. thanks for the reply. i really like your site and picked up some good tips! there's a wealth of information there, i genuinely had no idea britain was so good for walking, it's a great discovery, i can see myself heading over often in the years ahead. do you mind me asking where could i buy one of those trowels, they look like the business.
2 weeks will be a proper long break alright, i'm really looking forward to it. the last 10 day trip i went on, when i got back my brother said i looked really lean so no doubt the 2 week trip will have a similar effect, i love the feeling after a long walking trip, it's like a big de-tox, only you get to actually enjoy it. i saw you make your own flapjacks, i do as well and have always brought a tin on my walks, my mum's old recipe, and her mum's before her! i also prepare vast amounts of homemade granola which i find get me off to a great start. oats, spelt flakes, almonds, coconut flakes, honey, vegetable oil, pecans, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds, poppy seeds, raisins, dried papaya mango and pineapple, most of it organic, it's good stuff! pub owners always get a kick out of me asking for a pint of milk for the morning, but for me, breakfast in the wild is one of the most enjoyable moments in the day.
i'll certainly post a report when i get back, last time i took a mini video blog each day. it wasn't exactly bear ghrylls "dropped in the middle of the wilderness with only a knife and a flint, i'm going to show you how to survive"... more like.... "with several days of food supplies and comfy sleeping bag and tent and woolies and goretex, i'm going to have the time of my life..."
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« Reply #10 on Aug 15, 2009, 10:28am »

Hi mate,
Bit of confusion here, probably my fault for not making myself clear http://v-g.me.uk/index.htm is not my site, but i am sure if you contacted Geoff he would answer any questions you have. You should also keep an eye on the uk outdoor blogging scene ,(full list of links on v-g's blog which is linked from his site)there is a wealth of information to be found. Mike Knipe
http://www.northernpies.blogspot.com/ is at this moment trekking the full length of the lakes.
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« Reply #11 on Aug 18, 2009, 7:17am »

with several days of food supplies and comfy sleeping bag and tent and woolies and goretex

We wild camp. Do NOT take woollies. They take ages to dry and get heavy when wet. Lightweight fleece type jumpers (2) so if one gets wet you still have another one AND you can wear them both together if you get cold. Waterproof matches as well, don't forget. The site http://www.multimap.com/ (press the OS map button) is excellent for finding certain paths. You will only need one towel for the whole trip (tie it to the back of your rucsack while you are walking for it to dry). We do not buy the expensive (used to be horrible) special dried foods from the camping shops, we go to the supermarket and buy the dehydrated veg and instant mash potato stuff Water purification pills as well.

Ohh and a small pair of bincolars for all the wonderful wildlife you will see (if it isn't raining too hard to spoil your vision ;D)

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« Reply #12 on Aug 18, 2009, 9:01am »

hi Kathy, thanks so much for the tips, i hadn't come across the MultiMap service before, it's a great help. with the woolies i actually meant merino wool baselayer icebreakers, these are super-dry and wicking and great for wearing under waterproofs as they deal very well with sweat, they don't stink because they are not synthetic which is a real bonus when bathing facilities are limited!
as a seasoned camper, can i ask how much could i rely on finding food in the villages along the way? i plan on doing the memorial walk, but haven't studied the route in detail yet as my maps are in the post.
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...and here's me thinking the reference to 'woolies' was the local sheep. ;D
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« Reply #14 on Aug 18, 2009, 11:04am »

yikes no!
interestingly though, when bear ghrylls was in ireland he did find a dead sheep in a bog and skinned it and used it as a sleeping bag, and then the next day as a floatation device to swim across a lake.
i'll only be doing that as a last resort (only joking).
hopefully when i get back my tale will be a lot tamer than that ;)
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